Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph and the Fox Footy team examine the implication and cause of Adelaide's controversial post-siren kick on Thursday night.
Adelaide coach Brenton Sanderson insists he didn't hear the three quarter siren as controversy reigns over whether Josh Jenkins kicked a goal beyond the bell.
15/5/14 — AFL Round 9 — Adelaide v Collingwood at Adelaide Oval — Josh Jenkins Pic Simon Cross Source: News Corp Australia
THE AFL has given the green light to Josh Jenkins' controversial three-quarter time goal against Collingwood, but will look to "beef up" the siren at Adelaide Oval, one of the loudest crowd venues in the country.
And the league will examine linking the countdown clock shown on TV broadcasts with the one used by timekeepers in a bid to avoid another "siren gate".
AFL football operations manager Mark Evans said the league would start work on testing better ways to make sure umpires, players and crowds can hear the siren after Thursday night's controversy.
Evans was adamant the goal was kicked before the siren, despite Collingwood president Eddie McGuire labelling the incident as "shambolic".
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"The most important thing is ... the score is correct," Evans said. "The timekeeper is adamant ... he says the ball was kicked just moments before he pressed the siren.
"The (Adelaide Oval) siren is amongst the loudest around the country, so the real challenge is can we beef that up even further without hurting people's ears and can we try and tie the siren mechanism or use the umpires' communication system to make sure we are delivering some sort of sound to the ear of the umpire at the same time as the siren is pressed.
"We do have to make sure that the crowd and the people watching the broadcast get that surety that the siren has gone."
Jenkins was credited with a goal as the crowd drowned out the siren at three-quarter time, which gave the Crows a significant 14-point break.
Josh Jenkins runs into the goalsquare as the clock hits zero at the end of the third quarter. Source: FoxSports
Evans said the AFL will look to increase the number of banks of sirens around Adelaide Oval following a second incident at the ground this season.
A furious McGuire, who communicated his frustration to Evans immediately after an incident, called it a "complete debacle".
"I was talking to Mark Evans last night ... we've got to get this sorted out," McGuire said on Triple M.
"Bucks (Magpies coach Nathan Buckley) says it didn't affect the result, well it does. It does affect the result because they get an extra goal at a very, very pivotal moment in the game, and I'm not one to just let these things go because it annoys me and it will cost someone a Grand Final.
"It makes the AFL look shambolic. If the president of Collingwood can send a message to the AFL operations director and we still can't work it out, what does that tell you?
"This happened in 1980 in a night grand final — we still can't figure it out?"
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Jenkins said after the game he hadn't heard the siren.
"I wanted to get it on the boot as quickly as possible because I knew it was late in the quarter," he said.
"I didn't hear anything but I kicked the goal and I'm not giving it back."
Evans said his dealings with McGuire on Friday night were mostly via text messages, saying: "Eddie was very good on expressing his views."
"I know this has the potential to cause people some angst at the time but I couldn't be more appreciate of the way Nathan Buckley conducted himself last night.
Evans explained: "Our actual clock, the real clock, measures down to the hundredth of a second. The display that people see only shows to the whole second, so as it ticks under one second, there is still .99 of a second to go.
"We can look at whether the broadcast (clock) can take the read into hundredths of a second, but at the moment it would appear that the siren has gone .99 of a second late."
Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley has refused to blame the Adelaide Oval's quiet siren for his side's loss to the Crowd on Thursday night, despite Josh Jackson appearing to kick a goal after it had sounded for three quarter time.
McGuire said he had become aware of problems with the broadcast time clock and the siren on Anzac Day when Essendon forward Jason Winderlich appeared to take a mark after the quarter-time siren.
"I was told it's not when it (the clock) gets to zero, it's when it gets to zero minus one, that's one thing I was told.
"So we've got a situation at the moment where, to be perfectly honest, no one call tell me when the end of the quarter is.
"If we're going to do score reviews of blokes having a shot from the boundary line on the other side of the ground using a camera from 150m away and say that's fine, you can't tell me that we can't work out at the end of a quarter that the siren has gone?"
The incident sent Twitter into meltdown.
Crows star Patrick Dangerfield added: "We had no idea what was going on. They're an amazing crowd. The city's done a great job. We are so lucky to play here."
Josh Jenkins kicked a controversial goal at the end of the third quarter to help the Crows defeat Collingwood, with some arguing the siren had already sounded before he put boot to ball. It seems the referees were unable to hear the siren over the crowd.
In 2006, Fremantle was leading by one point when the final siren sounded at York Park, Launceston. However the umpires did not hear it, meaning play continued for another 20 seconds.
As Dockers players pleaded for the game to be stopped, St Kilda scored a behind to tie the match before the umpires called full-time.
However the AFL commission overturned the draw and gave the full four points to Fremantle, determining that the match should have stopped when the first siren sounded.
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